November 23, 2016 | 7590 Views | By Craig Keudell
Photo RAW State of the Union
In over eleven years since we started ON1, I have rarely posted to the ON1 blog. First, Thank you! In the spirit of this Thanksgiving season, thank you for your support of ON1 the company and all the hard working ON1 employees and their families. In all that is crazy in this world, we have much to be thankful for and from everyone at ON1, we would like to wish you and your family a very Happy Thanksgiving.
Okay, now for the photography stuff. The ON1 Photo RAW Pre-release was sent out into the wild today. I am both excited and a bit nervous as this is by far the biggest, most challenging development project we have ever undertaken at ON1 and to be honest, it has taken us longer than we had hoped. I am so proud of our dedicated and extremely talented team for their tireless efforts to get us to this release. I assure you, and I can’t stress this enough, we have so much more cool stuff coming your way in December and 2017. With ON1 Photo RAW, we now have a completely new architecture, modern raw processing engine and GPU imaging pipeline that will bring you blazing performance, ease of use and photographic results you have never seen from ON1 before. This pre-release is just that, a pre-release. To be completely transparent, there are bugs, several of them, there are features missing and yes, a few crashers too. DO NOT worry though, they will be fixed… very soon. The comments in this post are not just marketing speak, they are our unwavering, 100% committed promises to you, our valued customer. We will work tirelessly toward the December 19 ship date and beyond. So, work with us through this pre-release period as our photography future together is very bright. You have my word, we will not disappoint. Thank you.
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On November 23, 2016 at 3:16 pm jean jannon wrote:
thanks for the preview, and have a nice Thanksgiving …
(and after finishing the turkey, maybe you could fix your support mail captcha – as “ERROR for site owner: Stoken expired” prevents any bug report 😉 )
On November 23, 2016 at 3:42 pm Nathan Keudell replied:
Thanks Jean! Our web team is working on a fix now.
On November 23, 2016 at 4:05 pm John Shiever wrote:
I have been using (read playing) with the ON1 RAW for several hours with the x_trans files. You may have hit the home run ….. at least for me. You give me hope that I can use ON1 RAW as a standalone. The RAW conversion appears very clean. BTW, the Browse function is a lot slower loading. I look forward to a great winter of upgrades … so enjoy your Thanksgiving, but get back to work soon.
On November 24, 2016 at 9:40 am Giacomo ricchitelli replied:
Which camera?
On December 2, 2016 at 2:23 am Marco Introini replied:
On which camera RAW? I used the XT-1 files and feel horrible…
On November 23, 2016 at 4:29 pm Jon-Rico A Browner wrote:
Hello ON1 Team!! Happy Thanksgiving Eve to you all and I know you all are ready to rest at least to some degree and enjoy your love ones. I am overly excited to even just see my images load up in the new Photo RAW system and have a play on all things available for now. Thank You so much for the choices that you have made with showing us up to moment videos, emails and all other forms of communication to keep us attached to this day.
On November 23, 2016 at 6:00 pm pwhalen68@gmail.com wrote:
I have faith in you guys. It will be great!
On November 23, 2016 at 7:31 pm seeker613@gmail.com wrote:
I thought that PR Develop mode would work like Lr when you held down the Alt key & put your cursor on the slider button to drag one way or the other on either White, or Black, to get clipping warnings.
In Lr’s Develop module, holding down Alt key while click-drag on White or Black slider’s button turns the screen into a Clipping Warning screen. On the White slider the screen goes black & shows which white values are clipped; so you can adjust w/the slider to get rid of the clipping.
When you have made changes to ensure that there will no longer be any clipping, the clipped white hilite disappear & the reverse for Black. PR should have this, as it is now, you can only slide & hope you have found the right absolute white or black for the image. Lr’s clipping warning mechanism is very valuable & the first thing I do in my workflow.
On November 23, 2016 at 9:37 pm Petr Krenzelok replied:
The clipping info in on1 Photo is available for a very long time. You just have to turn it on/off, using Alt + J key. This is the thing, which makes me nervous every time I use and I use it often.
On1, please, pretty pretty please, make the clipping overlay visible by just holding Alt key, while dragging the sliders, the same way, as LR does, so that you don’t need both hands to turn it on/off 🙂
On November 24, 2016 at 2:51 am jean jannon wrote:
… and please use it for _all_ mask related modification sliders … 🙂
On November 24, 2016 at 9:32 am Barry Sachais wrote:
This version uses so much memory it is unuable on my system. I’ve got plenty of memory and the program becomes unresponsive after applying a few corrections to a CR2 file in RAW. The memory reaches almost 80%. Processing the same file in On1 10.5 presents no problems at all. The memory usage ranges from the mid-teens to low 20%. I’ll patiently wait for a usable version.
On November 25, 2016 at 8:18 pm Lucien Routhier replied:
I have the same problem. In my case it is using a huge amount of memory and almost 100% of my CPU power, which often brings my PC to a halt. In the browser it is very slow especially when I am trying to scan through thousands of photos. For me the pre-release is not usable because it is too buggy and crashes all the time. The pre-release should never have been released. Photo 10 is better than this pre-release..
On November 24, 2016 at 9:39 am Giacomo ricchitelli wrote:
My X-T10 raw files are obscene when opened with on1 raw. I hope it’s only because my camera is not yet fully supported, otherwise i will be forced to go back to adobe, left one month ago confident on ON1 unquestionable skill.
On November 24, 2016 at 9:48 am Barry Sachais wrote:
In my previous post I forgot to mention that I am running the Anniversary version of Win 10.
On November 24, 2016 at 1:25 pm jean jannon replied:
… system requirements for Windows changed from “4 GB / 8 GB when used as plugin” to “16 GB” – so I doubt that it will become much better. Yes, this is a resource hogging tool – first time I noticed my GPU fan when simply adding some effects …
On November 24, 2016 at 10:45 am Adrian Stewart wrote:
I have tried this on a Mac and on my Windows 10 system. Even on Windows at 4.5 Ghz Nvidia 970 Sli and 24 Gb of RAM its so slow i find it unusable. It’s even worse on OS X.
I really hope the full edition does not perform like this or i won’t be able to use it.
Photoshop CC2017 and all other programs fly.
On November 24, 2016 at 10:48 am Henry Crespo wrote:
I have been “playing” non-stop for the last 16 hours. ON1 RAW is fantastic, I think I finally found a possible software to replace old Photo Shop’=
Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving
On November 24, 2016 at 11:24 am Steve Abley wrote:
Whilst in the Develop mode go to the View dropdown at the top of the window and check show clipping it will allow you to move the sliders until the clipping is corrected. Hope that helps.
On November 24, 2016 at 12:19 pm Jesse MacDonough wrote:
I’m finding the same memory usage issues as Barry, as well as high CPU usage, even while just sitting there in browse. I’m running the latest version of Windows 10 Insider Preview (14971), so I’m reckoning this could be part of the problem. But it seems like quite a jump from 10.5, especially considering it should be using the GPU for some functions in the app. I have 16 GB of system RAM, and a GeForce GT610 video card with 1 GB of VRAM – I know, not the greatest, and it’s running in 2560 x 1440 on my monitor.
On November 24, 2016 at 9:03 pm Gerald Underwood wrote:
I have 16 GB of system RAM and am using a GeForce GTX 750 video card with 2 GB of VRam.
CPU is I7 at 3.60 GHZ. I find I am using RAM in an accumulative fashion topping out at about 2 GB with CPU rising to about 40 % with each action and going back down to about 2 % when action completes. However my raw files are only about 18 mb with my Fuji X-S1 RAF files.
On November 28, 2016 at 8:53 am Patrick Smith replied:
Sorry to hear this. Can you send us more details by filling out this form? https://www.on1.com/contact-on1/ Choose Technical Support for ON1 Photo RAW.
On November 24, 2016 at 10:43 pm Louis Jordaan wrote:
Many Thanks to the On1 team for what looks to be an amazing product. I can’t wait for the weekend to spend time in Photo Raw.
I hope you all took time off yesterday to enjoy Thanks Giving with your families. Unfortunately we do not have a day like this in South Africa.
We are 10 hours ahead of you so I could not watch your live sessions but I have downloaded them.
Best Regards and thanks again
Louis Jordaan
On November 25, 2016 at 3:32 am Derek Fraser wrote:
Thank you On1, I have this on my MacBook Pro 2015 (8GB), the Browser is really slow, and switching from developer to effects isn’t much better. Everything I read/watched lead me to believe this was not a memory hog but uh! Appreciate it is beta and lots of functionality to be added. For all the hype it seems a bit rushed, still things can only get better – I hope?
On November 28, 2016 at 8:52 am Patrick Smith replied:
It definitely shouldnt be behaving this way. We are listening to everyone and are committed to fixing issues for the December 19th release. Would you mind sending us more details about your issue? Please go to https://www.on1.com/contact-on1/ and choose Technical Support for ON1 Photo RAw.
On November 25, 2016 at 6:25 am Oliver Stein wrote:
thx guys for the hard work. Browsing is fast after an initial crash when trying to open my 2TB LR image directory so I guess there has to be a first indexing to be made. I was expecting something like that so no real issue, but you might want to put some alert out when first time opening those large image sets, indicating that it might take a while for On1RAW to index these
Regards Camera Support:
Can you confirm that some RAW files that worked on 10.5 are not yet avail in the beta release ?
I am using some 28Mpix SRW from a Samsung NX500&NX1 which worked fine on 10.5 but are currently not -yet- working on RAW Beta, the DNG’s created from those load ok in On1RAW
On November 25, 2016 at 9:01 pm Alan Smallbone wrote:
Happy Thanksgiving and best to you and all of your staff who have been working so hard. I know big complex software projects have issues and I know you will get there eventually. Keep at it and don’t let yourselves get too bogged down in any negativity you will get there. I have all the confidence that is will happen.
On November 26, 2016 at 1:43 am David Price wrote:
I agree with almost all of the positive comments.
I am running the Beta on a six year old AMD A6 powered lap top with only 8 GB of RAM. I downloaded the latest video card drivers from AMD, beforehand. The Develop and Effects modules run pretty well. Changing from one module to the other doesn’t happen quite as quickly as it does on Hudson’s Mac Book. But, a delay of only a couple of seconds is still pretty impressive. So far I haven’t encountered any memory problems. Well done, even though it is an incomplete Beta, it is already a massive improvement.
I have posted a suggestion for improving the New Version of Browse, where I do think that there is significant room for improvement.
I am really looking forward to the full version in December, which will hopefully contain all of the familar Photo 10 editing tools.
It is currently an incomplete Beta, but what you have produced is very impressive, and if you deliver on your published development plan, it will grow into a fantastic image editing programe.
Looking forward to it, and Best Wishes, David Price.
On November 26, 2016 at 7:38 am James wrote:
Congratulations on an impressive start.
I was wondering why my 24mp files (Sony ARW) balloned to 137mp when brought into Develop
Prior to any adjustments ? Is this normal or have I done something wrong?
Best of luck to the team.James
On November 28, 2016 at 8:47 am Patrick Smith replied:
Great question. There are a couple of scenarios where this could be a bug or working as it should. Can you provide us more information on exactly where you are viewing the size?
On November 26, 2016 at 10:29 am Carolyn Marshall wrote:
Is there any way to get on some sort of email notice when these blog posts are made? I haven’t received anything from On1 in a very long time. I did get the pre-release email saying this was coming but nothing when it was finally released. Saw something in a FAA post saying it was out and had to go back and log in via my payment receipt. I was shocked to see I had 75 messages waiting in my account but no notification via email whatsoever. Do I have to manually check into my ON1 account just to see if I have any messages or if there are any updates, etc.? What am I missing in this loop? Looking forward to working with this new raw release. Thanks!
On November 26, 2016 at 10:41 am dprobert44@gmail.com wrote:
Ben using the Beta for the last 2 days, had issues with memory creeping up to 90% and intermittently freezing my machine until it became unusable. I wound up cleaning the windows registry, verifying I had the latest video drivers along with all windows updates. Memory usage is better but still not great. I am running with 8GB ram. If I try exporting a file after edits my entire computer freezes and needs to be rebooted. Memory is definitely an issue, hope they can tighten it up in the final version.
On November 26, 2016 at 10:45 am dprobert44@gmail.com replied:
I did want to add when I am able to work in the RAW editor its great and looks extremely promising. When my memory usage was low moving around the app was very impressive, absolute kudos to ON1, they have alittle work to do to get this up to speed but well done, from comparisions I was able to make in Lightroom and ON1 RAW the RAW processor is outstanding.
On November 28, 2016 at 8:44 am Patrick Smith replied:
First, thank you for downloading the pre-release. It’s extremely helpful to get it out to users. Would you be able to log this incident so we have all of the information we need? You can do so at https://www.on1.com/contact-on1/. Make sure to choose Technical Support for ON1 Photo RAW as step 1 in the form.
On November 26, 2016 at 1:03 pm Leslie Arnott wrote:
I’m loving the new release, have a great Thanksgiving, yes a few bugs but a great future I feel when these are ironed out. Just one little niggle from me I would love the sliders in Develop to return to default by double clicking them as in Adobe Camera Raw I just think that is a bit easier to work with than the manual return in RAW 😉
On November 26, 2016 at 1:27 pm Alan Knott wrote:
In Lightroom you can export a file to shall we say capture one as a raw file and route it back after adjustment as a TIFF or psd etc. Will you be able to do the same with your raw process
Good luck with the release
On November 28, 2016 at 8:43 am Patrick Smith replied:
Yes, you can also set up many other external editors for Photo RAW.
On November 26, 2016 at 10:04 pm Martin Young wrote:
I can’t find any way to report bugs. It has crashed on me multiple times. It is unbelievably slow. It spends forever “scanning files”. It shows lots of thumbnails with cross through them and won’t open file (OK in all other applications). breadcrumb does not show full correct file directory location and more. How can I report bugs, or are you simply not interested for pre-release version?…..Martin
On November 28, 2016 at 8:41 am Patrick Smith replied:
We are definitely interested! We are reading through each comment. To log your issue, go to: https://www.on1.com/contact-on1/. Also, make sure to keep sending the crash logs via the app. Those are extremely helpful to our dev team so the issues are resolved for the December 19th release.
On November 26, 2016 at 11:58 pm Grant Botes wrote:
I have enjoyed trying out the ON1 Photo Raw pre-release and I’ve been able to do some pretty amazing things with my RAW images. Well done, ON1 team. I’m excited for the public release in December. By Dec 19th my vacation will have just begun! So far the pre-release hasn’t been very stable on my Windows 7 system, and has been locking up my system frequently. High CPU and RAM usage, and so on. But I like the feel of the app, and the design and insights that have gone into it, and I’m pretty sure that you’ll get all kinks worked out in good order. I Hope you’ve all had a great Thanksgiving, and wish you all the best.
On November 27, 2016 at 5:31 am Lucien Routhier wrote:
It does not work when I call ON1 Photo RAW from inside photoshop CS6. It will open a blank black windows. The solution is to de-install ON1 Photo 10. As soon as I have uninstalled my older version of ON1 Photo 10, Photo RAW will work. I think there is a software conflict between ON1 Photo 10 and Photo RAW.
On November 27, 2016 at 11:38 am Roger Horrobin wrote:
Same comments as many others: it’s slow and lumpy and deficient and too hungry for memory and processor power and incomplete and …. very disappointing after nearly 8 months of (understandable) hard work, promotional hype and enthusiasm. But you really shouldn’t have released it until it was fully beta-tested, finished and ready. Trying to work with the pre-release has left me with apprehension and a huge negative feeling. I’ll be ignoring it, and keeping my fingers crossed for a huge turn-around until December’s ‘final’ release. (‘Final’ because your release notes suggest that we may not reach that point until well into 2017 – and even then it will be changing on the fly in a valiant attempt to reach the point at which it should have started in the first place. Worryingly that’s also the point at which, historical experience suggests that, software developers usually re-launch their programs as a chargeable ‘upgrade’. Sorry, having been financially bitten so many times during my 30 ish years of computing I’ve become a real cynic. ON1 gave me hope – until this pre-release introduced a worrying doubt, largely because you promoted PhotoRAW so enthusiastically and for so many months; the last thing I was expecting was an anti-climax.
I’m more than happy to wait until it’s fully finished and right – not work-in-progress. I suspect from the comments that many others are feeling the same.
Sorry.
On November 28, 2016 at 6:32 am Giacomo ricchitelli wrote:
I’m really disappointed with this pre-release. X-Trans demosaicing is bad, no feature such crop or histogram, really?
I think i can’t ask for refund, otherwise i would do it immediately.
On November 28, 2016 at 9:35 am Jesse MacDonough replied:
Actually, in the Develop and FX modules, you can’t crop, but in the Layers module, you can crop and straighten with no issues. Granted, it will be nice to have the functionality in the final release.
On November 29, 2016 at 4:37 am Jean-Francois Perreault replied:
The crop and histogram aren’t important in this pre-release. This is just for us to start playing with it.
I’m 100% sure they will be there in the full December release.
But, about the X-Trans demosaicing, that’s a big concern to me because working on a bug can be easy and fast depending on the bug, but working on a raw engine might be tougher.
So although I’m optimistic about bugs being fixed, I’m rather pessimistic about better X-Trans demosaicing.
On November 28, 2016 at 8:35 am william burkett wrote:
I’ve really enjoyed using RAW (standalone) so far. I, too, have experienced the memory problems and crashes (on Win 7); because this is a prerelease, this is okay with me. However, I’ve run into a very serious problem: all of the adjustments I’d made on two batches of photos (Nikon D7100 NEFs) have disappeared (these two batches are all that I’ve processed so far). I’ve submitted a ticket on this and am very reluctant to do any more work until I hear back. I don’t know if this is related to the memory problems or the crashes, but if I can’t count on RAW saving my work I can’t really use it.
On November 29, 2016 at 9:11 am william burkett replied:
I discovered the source of the problem of my missing adjustments: The “Save ON1 sidecar files for non-destructive edits and metadata” in Preferences > Files was not checked. Why isn’t this checked by default???? And how did RAW temporarily remember my adjustments between launches when this was unchecked? Another memory problem?
On November 28, 2016 at 9:40 am Jesse MacDonough wrote:
After reverting my Windows 10 installation to the latest stable version, most of the issues I was having with crashing after using up nearly all my 16 GB of memory have disappeared. The only thing I’m kind of disappointed with is the RAW image view speed. The big brag on this was the unbelievable speed of RAW image processing, but it seems slower than all the other viewers I’ve used. Doing a full render takes several seconds, whereas with other programs it’s nearly instantaneous. Here’s to hoping the final version on December 19 fixes most of these issues.
On November 28, 2016 at 10:31 am Carsten Rasmussen wrote:
The pre-release looks great. Some crashes and bugs occure, and the indexing takes FOREVER. So the library function is not optimal at the moment. Hopefully this will be resolved with the final release. It`s a shame that the crop function`s not implemented yet.
But all in all, looking great and I am looking forward to the final (bug free and quick) version arrives. Can`t wait 🙂
On November 28, 2016 at 11:24 am Patrick Smith replied:
Should have an update later this week or next week addressing crashes and other bugs. Thanks for downloading and using the pre-release!
On November 28, 2016 at 4:05 pm James Fraser wrote:
I’ve never found any of the on1 stuff to be super fast, particularly on Windows.
PhotoRAW was always still a bit slow but kinda useable, after buying the pre-release version of the on1 RAW, this thing runs like an absolute dog.
For an i7 4.0Ghz 6700K, 32GB RAM, SSD, GTX980 it should run a heck of a lot better.
I seem to be waiting between modules and loading of RAW files.
There’s a lot of talk about it being fast, but maybe you’re spending too much time optimizing the Mac version?
Hopefully it speeds up because I’ve always had a soft spot for on1, but at the present time, I can still process things in Lightroom even quicker.
On November 28, 2016 at 4:18 pm Patrick Smith replied:
We’ll have an update either later this week or early next week that addresses the issues coming in. Thanks for the comment
On November 29, 2016 at 9:43 am jim-hughes@outlook.com wrote:
Looking forward to the update, and I’m sure the performance and stability issues will be addressed in the near future. Overall, I’m seeing everything I needed to see. My one suggestion is to push lens profiles much higher on the list. I can do without a lot of ‘nice’ features to start with but until I have lens profiles, I’m chained to LR.
On November 29, 2016 at 6:10 pm Alan Beeler wrote:
I have yet to install Photo Raw but really looking forward to December. Thought I’d wait because it seems most concerns are on Windows boxes (maybe that’s just what I’m sensitive to). I run Win10, i7 4770k 3.2Ghz, with a SSD, 32GB RAM, GTX660 Ti 2GB VRAM sporting OpenGL 4.3. Not quite as hot as James Fraser’s box but everything meets or beats recommended specs. Crossing my fingers that Windows machines aren’t an afterthought.