ON1 Short Clip – New Cataloged Folders

New in 2017.6 (a free update near the end of this month) is the next generation of Indexed Folders. The new Cataloged Folders now caches a fit sized image to allow for much faster browsing. It keeps track of all the photos and all the metadata inside the folder. Instantly view and scroll through photos with the power of a database and the performance of an ultra fast browser.

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12 comments on “ON1 Short Clip – New Cataloged Folders”

  1. On August 13, 2017 at 12:18 pm Adam Rubinstein wrote:

    This is an interesting course to take and I am surprised that On1 would want to emulate LR’s cataloging. One of the reasons I made the departure away from and despised LR was that it forced one to import and catalogue. After issues with moving, backing up, and corruption problems across multiple platforms, I was glad to kiss LR goodbye. What happens if the catalogue becomes corrupt? What is the performance overhead and what is the likelihood that it makes the program less stable? The last thing I want to do is be editing a photo with multiple layers and have the catalogue crash and lose the active photo. Browsing speed is important (and it has been one of my criticisms of RAW) but I hope that On1 is making this “feature” optional?

      1. On November 17, 2017 at 11:28 am Dolores replied:

        But, I do like to use it. In fact, I’m using it as I might have used Collections in the past. However, in ON1 2018, I’m having a problem with it that I don’t understand. If I can’t solve it, I will stop using it and save the info as a regular folder. What’s happening to me is that while using the Catalogued Folders, suddenly one or more–case in point today, all of my cataloged folders disappeared. I hate not to be able to use it, but thus far this has cost me hours of recovery time. Can you help?

    1. On August 15, 2017 at 11:55 am Dan Harlacher replied:

      Hi Adam,

      First James is correct, Cataloged Folders is an option, not a requirement like it is in Lightroom. You can still simply browse to any folder you want and work on your photos no matter where they live. That’s a big difference.

      Cataloged folders do add a couple nice things that a database provides like searching across folders, watching for changes, etc. For me, I watch everything by making them Cataloged folders and I always have, no matter what we have called them in the past (Favorites, Indexed Folders). The reason for changing the name to Cataloged Folders was to help Lightroom users who are migrating to Photo RAW, to understand what they do. Functionally they haven’t changed except for caching larger versions of the photos, which makes them way more powerful, and improved progress and resource management while this is happening in the background. The overhead of this is low and is paused when you are doing other work.

      In terms of stability the image metadata and the edits are actually stored in two different databases and both of them are backed-up automatically and can repair or use the back-ups seamlessly if needed, but it is very rare that they do. That said, I always turn the sidecar feature on. It gives me another layer of safety and makes my metadata and edits portable.

      1. On August 15, 2017 at 3:58 pm Adam Rubinstein replied:

        This is good news, so the upgrades to indexing will be supplanted by naming it cataloging? Since I use side car files to store the data this won’t be affected? Do you know what would happen to an image in an indexed file if for whatever reason the side car was accidentally deleted? Also, my assumption is that in a normal state the db and side car file would be updated in real time as modifications are made?

  2. On August 13, 2017 at 2:06 pm David Price wrote:

    Hi Dan
    Following up on Adam’ point.
    Lightroom gave the concept of catalogues a really bad reputation.
    – Having a Browser, is one of Photo Raw’s great selling points.
    – Having a Catalogue, is Lightroom’s worst selling point.
    So…
    ..If we don’t want to use the ‘catalogue’, will we be forced to use it? Or, will we be allowed to ignore the function?
    ..Will the catalogue work in the same way as Lightroom’s, (please say no). Or, will it work in a different way? ..If so, how will it be different from Lightroom’s mandatory, slow, and unreliable catelogue?
    Best wishes, David Price.

  3. On August 14, 2017 at 2:16 am Petr Krenzelok wrote:

    First – I think that “Indexed” was a nicer and more aproachable word selection in contrast to “Cataloged”. We don’t need to preach the LR that much, do we? OSes and various search engines, are indexing, not cataloging. In fact, cataloging is far from self explanatory imo ;-)

    Now on more important topic. As a former developer, I am always scared, when I hear the word – database. Simply put – it might get corrupted over the time. I would like to hear some clear answers here:

    – If we lose PRs database – are all our edits gone?
    – To prevent above from happening, I switched to use the sidecar files. In fact, I would welcomeme Indexing/Cataloging being turned-off via some configuration switch. My guess is, it is not possible.
    – I would REALLY welcomed, if there would be kind of poor-man’s rollback strategy – app being able to do in-folder (or maybe + subfolder) search, scanning .on1 files, so I can filter according to name, start rating, etc., in terms of folder, without any need to catalog.
    – The reason to my above point is – what about the shared environment? With my studio co-partner, we want to use NAS storage. One of us doing e.g. culling process – preselection using star rating, and the other one being able to use such filter. It is very important to us.

    I really wish PR to allow a team work. Not sure, how could it be done technically – maybe allow to point out, where the DB is placed (could be placed on a NAS itself, but that’s not optimal). That’s what you can do with LR for e.g.

    My preferred solution would be, if PR would always work via the sidecar files. Simply put – when I assign an image a 5 stars, it should be reflected in a sidecar file and the DB/Indexer/Catalog should be able to import that. That way, you would allow to share a work between the 2 machines/ppl, allowing them to keep 2 separate DBs, being updated from one master .on1 sidecar file per image.

    1. On August 15, 2017 at 12:06 pm Dan Harlacher replied:

      Hi Petr,

      I think I answered most of your questions above. Yes, ON1 Photo RAW takes advantage of several databases and caches. These use modern no-sql databases that scale quit large and are self-repairing. They also back themselves up. Like you, I turn sidecars on. That way my metadata and settings are backed-up and portable. This enables exactly what you are asking for. You can store your photos on a NAS and access it from multiple computers and view/edit the metadata and settings. In terms of the roll-back strategy are you thinking of versions? If so, that is something we will be working on for the future.

      1. On August 15, 2017 at 12:27 pm Petr Krenzelok replied:

        Well, yes, I read the reply. Just an idea – the process is automatic. It still would be nice to allow user to “backup” the DB, as user can choose an external drive eventually. But then, you would have to allow to renew from db, or just open the db. I really can’t imagine someone loosing years of work, if one is not using the sidecar files – then simple backup of photos to external drive is not enough.

        As for sidecar files, yes, I use them too. We’ve recently started to use SmartAlbums for wedding album purposes, and from an interoperability between the PR, SA, LR, we would welcome extension of “Embed metadata” to also “Read metadata from file”. LR has both options. Small thing, but useful ….

        Can’t wait to test-drive the new Cataloged (indexed) files!

  4. On August 21, 2017 at 11:07 am Jose González wrote:

    With due respect, I don’t mind if you call it Catalogued folders or Indexed folders, the truth is that the change is, AMAZING !!. Now I can see my pictures in full view with high speed. The generation of thumbnails is instantaneous compared to the previous version, now it flies as soon as you take the folders to that new beloved “CATALOGUED FOLDERS” and stops indexing.

    One 1 Photo Raw is very young compared to Lightroom. The app has to improve but the way is promising. Having said this, the local adjustments is the part that, in my modest opinion, needs to be improved. I notice a high consumption of ram (I got an i7 5k imac, 32 gb ram) especially when I use the brush locally; it freezes and leaps.

    Regards
    Jose

  5. On September 26, 2017 at 5:50 am shoppdal@gmail.com wrote:

    Hi, I just wanted to clarify a point on the Cataloged Folders.
    1. Where is this data stored (on a mac in my case)?
    2. Is this database (like a LR Catalogue file) that I should be concerned with backing up – even if I’m using the sidecar option?
    Thanks

  6. On November 8, 2017 at 4:12 pm Warren Katchmar wrote:

    Hi,

    Can cataloging be paused? I have a huge HD and it is taking forever to catalog them….
    I am hoping that I can turn catalog on and off. I would like to turn it on at night when I am asleep :-) and off during the day when I am using my computer.

    Thanks,

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